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00:00 — Begin
01:34 — Writing spy fiction after a profession at NSA and CIA
05:02 — Actual spies, “Sluggish Horses,” and the parable of James Bond
07:15 — From aspiring author to by chance becoming a member of NSA
10:56 — Beginning as an NSA analyst and studying the intelligence world
13:51 — NSA earlier than computer systems: analog intel, index playing cards, and the digital transition
16:53 — Inside one in every of NSA’s first hacking groups
22:13 — Constructing the CIA’s early social media intelligence program
31:08 — AI, propaganda, and the collapse of belief in open-source data
39:44 — Iraq Warfare planning and the failure of Section 4 technique
54:23 — Leaving NSA for CIA after the Patriot Act period
01:00:02 — Secret backchannels, Havana Syndrome, and actual incidents behind the novels
01:21:19 — CIA publishing battles, pre-publication evaluate, and returning to NSA
01:36:34 — Substack, viewer questions, NSA vs. CIA tradition, and last ideas
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