NBC News correspondent Courtney Kube covers nationwide safety and the army for the community’s investigative unit. She started working for NBC in 2001 as a producer for “Meet the Press.”
In Might, the Congressional Medal of Honor Society introduced it had chosen Kube for its “Tex” McCrary Award for Excellence in Journalism for individuals who “by way of their life’s work have distinguished themselves by service to or unbiased protection of the USA army by way of journalism in peace and warfare.” Previous recipients of the award embrace Tom Brokaw, Paul Harvey, Peggy Noonan and Jake Tapper.
Kube will settle for the respect on the Medal of Honor Celebration held Tuesday by way of Saturday in Knoxville, Tennessee. Prematurely of the occasion, Kube spoke with Joel Christopher, editor of Knox News and the Knoxville News Sentinel, about her reporting. This interview has been flippantly edited for readability and brevity.
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CHRISTOPHER: It was fascinating once I was studying about you, Courtney, that you simply did not got down to cowl the army and nationwide safety. I learn an interview during which you talked about what the preparation regarded like for that. I am actually curious what that course of was to develop into adept at overlaying such advanced matters?
KUBE: I really began out engaged on the project desk, then I began working for “Meet the Press” once I was fairly new at NBC and overlaying politics, which I liked – I studied politics in faculty, and I grew up in D.C. and the D.C. space.
What I noticed after about 4 years of overlaying it and getting by way of one presidential election is that I used to be starting to hate it. So I went to my boss on the time, Tim Russert, and stated, “I believe I would like a change, what do you suggest?” And he stated, “What do you wish to do?” And I stated, “Something however the Pentagon.” I am unable to cowl that, I do not know something in regards to the army. And some weeks later he referred to as me and stated, “We’re sending you to the Pentagon, begin learning. You have acquired six weeks.”
And so I actually went to bookstores and I purchased books like “The Dummy’s Information to the Plane Service” and “An Fool’s Information of U.S. Particular Operations Forces.” And I began learning. I knew nothing in regards to the army. What I noticed as soon as I acquired to the Pentagon and began overlaying the army and battle is there is no guide that basically prepares you for it.
To anyone beginning out, I would say give your self about 18 months to essentially study the tradition, the acronyms, after which settle for the truth that you’ll proceed to study each single day on the job. There’s at all times one thing new.
In the present day (June 27) is an ideal instance. There’s these new medium- to long-range missiles that the U.S. is speaking about offering to Ukraine. I do not know a lot about this technique. Of all of the programs I’ve lined or we have completed tales on or I’ve seen in motion, that is one I do not know a lot about.
It is the explanation I do not get bored – I am continually studying. And it is undoubtedly one thing I didn’t plan to cowl, ever. I actually surprise if Tim Russert – he was such an exquisite boss, he knew a lot and he was so nice at managing folks – I’m wondering if he knew it was the appropriate match for me, deep down, though I did not.
CHRISTOPHER: On a beat like nationwide safety and the army, you are dealing as a civilian with individuals who have been immersed in that life for his or her total life in loads of instances, and there definitely could be some pressure between journalists and the army. How do you bridge that hole?
KUBE: I really feel lucky as a result of I began overlaying in 2005 when embeds have been fairly commonplace, and I believe that broke down loads of these obstacles of the long-term hesitancy for members of the army to speak to journalists.
Now I’ll say, I am seeing that shift again in some methods as a result of embeds are much less and fewer widespread as a result of there’s not as a lot army in battle areas and so they do not have the help, they do not have the infrastructure like we had in 2005 once we had massive numbers of troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.
So I hope that engagement continues as a result of I perceive why so many members of the army have a look at the media, they have a look at loads of issues as a threat vs. a reward. Once you have a look at speaking to a journalist, oftentimes if you simply do the mathematics, they assume there’s extra threat right here than reward.
And I believe the explanation the embeds program was so worthwhile was there was an acknowledgment that we have been there to inform a narrative, to get the details out and that the American folks genuinely needed to listen to what the army was doing. So I hope that we do not lose that engagement going ahead.
CHRISTOPHER: That is actually fascinating to listen to you say that. As you already know, with so few People really serving, most individuals have so little familiarity with what the day-to-day lives are like for service members. How do you, particularly overlaying issues on the degree you are overlaying, how do you make sure that the voices of people who find themselves at decrease ranks, who’re toes on the bottom, are making their means into your protection?
KUBE: So the one method to actually do that’s to get out of the Pentagon. It is certainly one of my favourite issues to do. And albeit, with COVID, it is made it increasingly more tough. However it’s important to get out of the Pentagon, it’s important to get to the bases, it’s important to go to Iraq and Syria and actually see what’s occurring on the bottom.
There’s been loads of frustration that we’ve not been in a position to cowl as a lot as we might wish to with what the U.S. army is doing in Japanese Europe proper now serving to to arm the Ukrainian army.
These are the tales I actually assume the American folks wish to see. They wish to hear what the army is doing. And particularly one thing like that the place it has been a tremendous, Herculean effort, logistical effort that I’ve by no means witnessed.
A very powerful factor you are able to do when telling that story is get out, get to the bases. These are those that I discover probably the most informative to the American public. I’ve a narrative out simply this morning about recruiting and these cultural modifications which can be happening. There’s this new survey that the Pentagon did that discovered amongst this key demographic of individuals they’re seeking to recruit – so it is often 17- to 18-year-olds to 26- or 28-year-olds – amongst that demographic, 57% thought in the event that they joined the army they’ll come out damaged emotionally or psychologically.
It is these sorts of cultural shifts that I believe us having the ability to inform the story of what folks in uniform really do on a day-to-day foundation and to see what their lives are like, breaks down these civil-military obstacles. Not having the ability to inform tales like that’s I believe why we’re seeing shifts like that in polling.
CHRISTOPHER: You talked about Ukraine and I believe if we went again a 12 months most People wouldn’t have predicted this could be a narrative that is dominating as a lot because it has. in addition to anybody the fatigue that generally units in with long-running tales like this. How do you retain folks and the way do you convey to them the significance and relevance of what is occurring in Japanese Europe?
KUBE: These are the occasions the place I believe that the general public would possibly have a look at what’s occurring in Ukraine and never see a giant distinction daily in what’s occurring on the bottom. Partially as a result of if you happen to have a look at the operational image it is not likely altering that a lot on a day-to-day foundation. In order that’s the place it is actually essential to convey the viewer or the reader the nuance, to clarify to them why it is nonetheless so essential and nonetheless so related.
So at present (June 27) is an effective instance. Russia has launched off extra missiles within the final week than they’ve in newer weeks. So moderately than simply saying to our viewer or our reader, “Oh, Russia launched 60 missiles over the weekend together with in some newer locations they have not been focusing on, like Kiev,” it isn’t simply to convey these details, it is to go to the protection officers and specialists and say, “Why? What is the motive behind this?”
And I believe that is how you retain viewers within the story.
It is one thing we struggled with in each Iraq and Afghanistan, too. I imply, have a look at Afghanistan, it was 20 years of battle there. You wanted to maintain telling the American folks and the world, actually, why that was such an essential story. Why it was essential that the U.S. army and civilians have been there and what they have been doing. And if ever there was a time that we noticed simply how essential it was for folks to know what was occurring, it was through the withdrawal. Once you had so many People who did not even know there have been nonetheless U.S. troops there. And it was such an emotional story for folks, that was once I was actually blissful that we had continued to inform that story even on the occasions when the American public wasn’t essentially desirous about listening to about it.
I am nonetheless attempting to do tales on daily basis on Afghanistan as a result of it is such an essential story for us to be telling: the humanitarian disaster, the nationwide safety risk that exists there, the federal government there, what the impacts are for the area.
CHRISTOPHER: All journalists are going through challenges, ensuring folks know they are often trusted. You are in an area the place I believe it is fascinating as a result of folks really want to depend on journalists to inform them these tales that is completely different from, say, home politics. What do you do to attempt to make it possible for folks perceive the significance and the veracity of your work?
KUBE: So, I really really feel actually lucky that I am on this beat as a result of it is a very advanced beat. Once you have a look at one way or the other a few of these nations have decades- and centuries-long arguments and the way that is impacting how they’re behaving and what their insurance policies are at present, and the extraordinarily sophisticated weapons programs, I really feel actually lucky that I am the one who will get to go on TV and go on the web and clarify these tales to folks.
I additionally really feel very lucky that I can exit and be with the U.S. army and produce their story again to the American folks. It is a privilege and never one I take flippantly.
I believe that is why I work very onerous understanding these advanced points and learning these programs and attempting to know when you have got an announcement just like the U.S. goes to supply medium- and long-range missiles to Ukraine, what does that imply? What can these missiles do? How can that influence the precise battle stage? How lengthy will they take to get there? What are the coverage implications for it, if Ukraine begins putting within Russia?
So as a result of I do genuinely have a look at this as a privilege, that I get to inform these tales to the American public and the world, I get pleasure from studying the nuances and inform that to folks on tv. That is really an artwork kind, to take these advanced points and break them down in a really quick time. I actually do really feel privileged I get to do it.
CHRISTOPHER: Your work is being acknowledged by the Congressional Medal of Honor Society this fall. Inform me what it means to you to have your work acknowledged and to be related to this group?
KUBE: I’ve to say, it is the largest skilled honor that I’ve ever had. I can truthfully say it could be the largest skilled honor I am going to ever have in my profession.
I am so humbled by it, and, candidly, stunned they even chosen me for this. After I have a look at the individuals who have acquired this award up to now, like Tom Brokaw and Peggy Noonan, they’re individuals who I by no means in my wildest goals would have ever related myself with aside from attempting to stroll of their shadows.
So I am thrilled and humbled to be part of this. I actually cannot think about an even bigger honor in my line of labor.
CHRISTOPHER: You have had, I am positive the identical expertise that I’ve had when you have got the chance to talk to a few of these Medal of Honor recipients. It is sobering and it is unbelievable to listen to their life experiences. Quite a lot of these recipients have used their platforms to advocate for causes which can be essential to service members and to veterans. What are the problems that you simply see going through service members and veterans which can be most essential to you?
KUBE: One which I have been spending loads of time on and I am desirous about is the burn pit laws. The Veterans Administration has began to acknowledge increasingly more of those potential sicknesses as probably being tied again to burn pit publicity within the army.
This can be a story that has actually gained loads of traction within the final couple of years, and I believe it is solely going to proceed to develop. It is one which I have been actually happy with the reporting I’ve completed up to now, and I wish to proceed to remain on it. A part of it’s, I can keep in mind being in Iraq in 2005 and standing in entrance of a burn pit again earlier than anybody had any thought. And other people talked about it. They talked in regards to the odor. You would style it within the air. There was residue on the computer systems and their tools. That is one which I believe is essential from a well being perspective.
One other one which I believe could be very well timed proper now’s how the Supreme Courtroom determination (within the Dobbs case, overturning Roe v. Wade) goes to influence not solely service members however spouses and dependents going ahead. I am fascinated by the implications that is going to have for the army.
So issues like, what if a feminine service member does not wish to be stationed in a state that has certainly one of these legal guidelines? What if a male service member has a partner who does not wish to? What you probably have a service member who wants an abortion that falls beneath the rules of when the army can present one, however the state does not permit it. Will the army fly them someplace? That is one thing that I am undoubtedly watching.
Total, well being take care of the army is one thing I am desirous about as a result of it is one thing that is been an enormous challenge up to now couple of many years and it is solely going to develop as we have now service members who served in Syria and Iraq and Afghanistan and past and are getting old and can want increasingly more care.
One other one is recruiting. That reveals how the general public notion of the army is shifting a lot and the way it’s shifted up to now 30 years, 20 years, 10 years and now the final 5 years. It is a generational change, how People view the army and U.S. authorities establishments, and how that is impacting the army. I discover that fascinating.
CHRISTOPHER: It is fascinating to listen to you discuss these shifts in notion. Am I understanding you accurately that the army is coping with that very same mistrust in establishments that you simply see in different situations?
KUBE: The Reagan Institute put out survey again in December, and it confirmed that general belief within the army was at 45%, the bottom it had been in, I believe, the historical past of the survey. And in addition, Pew additionally put one out, and so did Gallup, so general the American public, particularly if you discuss that key demographic, their belief in U.S. authorities establishments has fallen general.
The army remains to be an outlier in that they’re typically greater in belief than others, however it nonetheless is dropping like different U.S. authorities establishments. I actually assume that we’re a generational change within the army.
One factor that I discover actually fascinating about it – that stat that I gave you earlier about 57% of (younger People) worry they might be damaged emotionally or psychologically after serving within the army – it’s important to surprise how protection of wounded warriors and the army attempting to interrupt down all of those long-held perceptions of psychological well being points, that is gotten loads of protection, which has been terrific, over the previous 10 or 15 years, however with extra folks seeing which can be they making an assumption that that may be a drawback within the army that might influence them in the event that they joined?
It might be a captivating examine for somebody to do, whether or not extra protection of those points has impacted the army.
CHRISTOPHER: What message are you aspiring to share with folks on the Medal of Honor occasion?
KUBE: One of many causes I am so honored to be a part of that is that so many Medal of Honor recipients are going to be there and I am so humbled to have the ability to assist share their tales.
A few of my favourite tales that I’ve completed in my time at NBC News have been about these recipients once they’re getting their honor and telling their backstories and their households and their fellow service members, and the truth that I get to be at an occasion that acknowledges their service and when they’re going out into the group and sharing their tales, the truth that I get to be part of it in any respect, I am so excited and honored.
And I actually hope I get to convey a few of their tales ahead sooner or later.
CHRISTOPHER: It truly is wonderful each time you converse to certainly one of these recipients how they’re each outlined by a short second of their lives however they’ve made a lot from that chance that they are given by being Medal of Honor recipients.
KUBE: Their humility is what will get me. I am at all times amazed by how they downplay their function in these occasions and act like they’re simply small gamers when they’re the important thing to those heroic occasions.
I’m so honored to be part of this, to even be invited to be a part of the occasion, I’d have been thrilled. To have a gaggle like this inform me that they discover my work and my reporting worthwhile, it is one of many greatest skilled honors I might ever think about. I am wanting ahead to speaking to them and thanking them in individual.
